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Offline vincentquy

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Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« on: November 18, 2019, 07:37:57 PM »
I have been using my stock built crack for a week and today I attempt to upgrade the speedball.
I follow the instruction and make sure I soldered the right joint and in correct orientation.
I proceed to check voltage of the small board.

OA: 68V
IA: ... the produces a spark at the ground bush (12U)

Now all measurement give something like -0.1V. The tubes still glow when I plug in power. But there is no sound coming out. I tried to revert to pre-speedball built but now the LED won't glow.

PLEASE HELP!
« Last Edit: November 19, 2019, 05:16:07 AM by vincentquy »

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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2019, 05:48:24 AM »
Can you check to see if the fuse is still in tact?

68V at OA would've been an OK voltage. 

You are saying when you touched the probe to IA, that there was a spark at 12U?  Were you using a clip lead or perhaps did your hand slip with the probe back by 12U?

For future voltage checks, you can wedge the black probe against the bare wire between the two RCA jacks if you don't have a clip lead available.
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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2019, 06:12:29 AM »
The fuse is intact.

Yes, that's what happened. I don't have a clip but I didn't slip the probe. I keep the black probe at 12U and use the red lead to touch IA and there was a spark.

Now, the 2 LEDs at 9 pin socket won't light up anymore. All the measurement give me -0.1 V and doesn't give any resistance.

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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2019, 06:30:11 AM »
If the fuse is OK, move along to the checks in the manual for wall voltage and power transformer voltage.  Your power transformer is just fine, but it's important to double check that the amp is at least able to make the DC voltage you appear to be missing.

Also double check that the 12AU7 and 6080 are glowing when you turn the amp on. 
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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2019, 06:36:53 AM »
I just got these measurement (the crack is in stock form)
Both tube are glowing
---Voltage Check 1:
NL: 121.7 V
Transformer 7 – 9: 5.8
Transformer 11 – 12: 176.8

---Resistance Check:
Terminal 3: 0 ohm
6: 0
7: 2.84
8. 0
9. 2.67
10. 0
12. can’t measure
14. can’t measure
20. can’t measure
22. 0
B3: 2.47
B6: 2.46
RCA center pin: 103.5

---Voltage Check 2:
Terminal 1: -1.4 V
2: -1.4
3: 0
4: -1.4
5: -1.4
6: 0
7: 0
8: 0
9: 0
10: 0

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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2019, 06:40:36 AM »
Can you carefully measure the DC voltage between 20 and 21? 

You have AC voltage coming out of the transformer, so the lack of DC voltage is unlikely.  The more likely scenario is that there's a bad solder joint that's no longer passing this along downstream.
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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2019, 06:45:33 AM »
By "measure the DC voltage between 20 and 21" do you mean the black lead at ground and the red lead goes to 20 and 21?

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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2019, 09:52:32 AM »
No, one probe at 20 and the other probe at 21.
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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2019, 09:54:41 AM »
After a day of fixing, I managed to make the crack work with the small board. You were right when you said there's a bad solder joint somewhere. I reheat/ resoldered most of the joint and it's now working. I will take a rest before upgrading the larger board. Blowed a fuse tho.

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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2019, 10:14:59 AM »
Yeah, bad solder joints can creep up at the strangest times.  I've worked on Dynaco ST-70s built ages ago that had solder joints that were completely missed but started acting up after a round of shipping. 
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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2019, 03:35:49 PM »
Is it normal to have channel imbalance? My left channel is louder than right channel I have to adjust on my PC to have balance.

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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2019, 05:08:18 PM »
See #3/#4.
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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2019, 08:46:06 PM »
Will that work if I use the Alps Blue Velvet pot? Also, where can I buy those resistors?

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Re: Speedball upgrade fail - please help
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2019, 04:29:47 AM »
Yes, that will work with the Alps pot.  Does the place where you bought the pot sell resistors?
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