CCS Loaded Parafeed Output - Design Considerations?

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Reply #180 on: April 23, 2021, 05:45:55 AM
Do you have a little bypass cap on the screen?  For the paralleled cathode followers, 1M seems like a reasonable grid leak choice.

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Reply #181 on: April 23, 2021, 06:32:27 AM
Yeah I thought 1Meg was a good choice, I will leave it as is.  At the moment I do not have a bypass cap on the screen, I have seen it done both ways, got the idea from one of Pete Millett's amplifiers who left it unbypassed.  I tried it bypassed with 0.1uF and without, but did not see a measurable difference in gain, distortion, FR, etc.
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Reply #182 on: April 23, 2021, 08:21:39 AM
Those test sockets are sweet. Nice flat frequency response !

And thanks, Thermioniclife!  Sorry didn't see your comment until just now.  The sockets are very nifty, sort of make the whole thing work.  I have some noval 9-pin boards as well that can be swapped in if the design calls for it, will use adapters for any oddball tube bases if need be.

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Reply #183 on: April 23, 2021, 06:04:40 PM
Your prototype board is way too neat, I'm sure that's your problem  ;)...John

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Reply #184 on: April 24, 2021, 02:30:05 AM
HA!  That has to be it, no doubt.

I finished the second channel, the heater regulator I was also using as a bias supply was injectin HF noise into the EF37A grid, so I had to make a switch, nice and quiet now.  Maybe it was the tube swap, but the feedback and measurements improved in the final circuit, but HF extension, lower distortion and output impedance.

Output Z: 1.53ohm
Power: 6.2W into 8ohm

I had a listen with headphones, then lugged it into my stereo, the sound is very nice, will do some more tinkering of course but it won't be long before it is boxed.


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Reply #185 on: April 24, 2021, 06:03:36 AM
There are lots of 100-ish watt transmitting triodes, now you can go for 40W!

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Reply #186 on: April 24, 2021, 02:49:22 PM
Oh man, scary to think about, but something tells me I'll mess with the 100W transmitters some day.

My next victim is the HK54, 15W single-ended, pretty good for 92dB/W speakers :D not sure when it will come to fruition, but have a nice protoboard to mess around with it now.

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Reply #187 on: April 24, 2021, 04:01:03 PM

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Reply #188 on: April 24, 2021, 04:24:36 PM
HA!  Good one PB, I saw those while shopping for HK54, 100W with a 37.5W filament, woo boy!  I'm making my way there, 25W now, 50W next, then maybe the big fellas.  Getting ahead of myself but thinking of using EL34 to drive the HK54 grid.

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Reply #189 on: April 24, 2021, 04:32:35 PM
The EL34 isn't a bad choice.  Maximum cathode current is plenty high and high voltage isn't particularly bothersome.

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Reply #190 on: April 25, 2021, 02:52:10 AM
I thought so too, took some measurements at a potential operating point, I found gm and linearity were better in the EL34 than say, parallel 6BX7 at high voltage, 440V B+.  Shouldn't have a problem with the 60mA grid current at peak swing, I have a pair of NOS EL34 burning a hole in my pocket too.

With a similar feedback circuit to the 801A design, the challenge is the gain.  For a 3K load to get 15W output with a 3:1 damping ratio with the HK54, will need something like 25dB of feedback.  I grabbed a couple of high-gain pentodes to try out, 6EW6 and 6AH6, the 6EW6 being the higher of the two.  With a 5-pack of NOS 6EW6, what I found was a high degree of variation in gm / the curves from sample to sample, even from the same exact batch, BUT they can be made to be matched pretty well by adjusting the screen voltage, so I would need an adjustable screen supply to match the feedback in both channels.

So we'll see, it's going to take some trial and error.

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Reply #191 on: May 22, 2021, 08:57:28 AM
I finished my 801A amp PB, here are some pics.


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Reply #192 on: May 22, 2021, 01:04:56 PM
Looks great!  How does it sound?

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Reply #193 on: May 22, 2021, 01:09:08 PM
Really good, best of the amplifiers I have made so far, the real standout is the bass, unlocks a new level of potential from my Snells!  Great clarity and detail too, the speakers disappear.

Thanks for your $0.02 along the way.  First got the idea for an 801A build over a year ago now, figuring out how to make it happen was a serious learning experience.

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