New Crack build, high voltage on T5 and T9

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Reply #15 on: June 29, 2020, 12:50:20 PM
Wrap the wire around the tube socket contacts rather than just letting it pass through.  This makes a solid mechanical connection before soldering.

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Reply #16 on: June 29, 2020, 12:51:50 PM
The voltage at T5 and T9 are identical @136.5V, if that offers any clues.
That would likely point to a loose wire on the octal socket or potentially the 3K resistor feeding that half of the circuit just not being well enough connected to work.

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Reply #17 on: June 29, 2020, 01:14:34 PM
Re-soldered the resistor twice now. No luck.
Re-soldered and crimped as best i can all terminals on the octal. No change.
T5 and T9 still around 140V.
I'm starting to be concerned my 'repairs' are making matters worse. T3 has a LOT of solder on it.

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Reply #18 on: June 29, 2020, 02:28:20 PM
And you're 100% certain that your resistance readings are OK?

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Reply #19 on: June 29, 2020, 02:35:45 PM
Yes. I've checked them at least 4 times now. They're always in spec.
I'll check again now though.

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Reply #20 on: June 29, 2020, 02:42:30 PM
Checking with tubes out, just to clarify.

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Reply #21 on: June 29, 2020, 02:55:31 PM
Everything checks out.
The wanderers wander into the mega OHMs.
0 OHMs  read 0.
2.9K's read at 2.9.
RCA jack, right = 94 left = 102

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Reply #22 on: June 29, 2020, 03:23:05 PM
Just for fun, i checked temps on the resistors.
The side that is malfunctioning, the resistor is at around 300F.
On the side that seems to be functioning properly, the temp is around 250F.

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Reply #23 on: June 29, 2020, 03:41:11 PM
You could try a different 6080.  They are relatively inexpensive at Antique Electronic Supply.  What you are experiencing would be an unusual failure mode for a 6080.

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Reply #24 on: June 30, 2020, 05:38:37 AM
I don't know if this is sound reasoning as far as electrical circuitry goes, but I tested resistance (I think) across the 22.1K resistors on 1-2 and 4-5.
The one from T1-T2 measured right at 22K, with no wandering (this is the side where voltage measures in spec). Resistance between T4-T5 wandered all over the place and never settled (this is the side where voltage is way too high).
Is this coincidental to the overall circuit layout, or does it possibly mean something, like the resistor is bad?

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Reply #25 on: June 30, 2020, 06:00:19 AM
You would I have I think the second bad resistor that I can remember in 25 years.  Are you measuring across the terminals or the actual leads of the resistors?  A bad solder joint could create this issue, or if the resistor was pulled super tight against the terminal strip, it's possible that it was damaged, but physical damage is usually pretty visible.

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Reply #26 on: June 30, 2020, 06:05:53 AM
I'm putting the probes on the leads.

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Reply #27 on: June 30, 2020, 06:10:10 AM
Rub the tips of the probes back and forth on the leads. If there is any contamination from flux or a little oxidation that will cut through it and give a more solid reading.

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Reply #28 on: June 30, 2020, 06:31:44 AM
I put some sand paper to each lead and it still wanders all over the place. (T4-T5)
If I remove the 6080 (and keep in the 12au7), it lands on 22 immediately and stops. Wandering stops with both tubes removed.
Wandering of T4-T5 resumes with 6080 in and 12au7 out.

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Reply #29 on: June 30, 2020, 07:32:55 AM
Is there corrosion/oxidation on the bottom of the 6080?  If you are running a load of dishes in a dishwasher sometime in the near future, go ahead and throw the 6080 in there and give it a wash cycle.

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