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Offline mravunko

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Reduction with Ortofon/Pro-Ject cartridge Pick it S2 MM
« on: February 19, 2021, 11:08:47 PM »
Hi,
I consider buying a turntable and a phono preamp with a budget about 500$ each. I did some research and found that in Europe a good piece of hardware is Pro-Ject X1 Turntable with Pick it S2 MM cartridge. My second option is Pro-Ject Debut Carbon Esprit SB (DC) with Ortofon 2M Red cartridge. The turntables are with acrylic platter and are full manual, no preamp. Also the color matches my current setup.  ;D
I'd like to get the Reduction preamp because I really like to build these things and it is really satisfying.

Probably no one in the forum have this combination but I'd like to ask if there is something wrong with the combination of the preamp and the cartridge. For example recommended load capacitance for the cartridge 150pF, the preamp - 50pF, cartridge output of 7mV.

Here is the info regarding the cartridges. They look pretty common:

Pick it S2 MM
Technical Specifications
Weight   7.2 g
Stylus type   elliptical
Frequency response   20 - 20.000 Hz
Output voltage   7 mV
Recommended tracking force   1,8 g (mN)
Trackability (315 Hz, lateral)   70 µm
Recommended load capacitance   150 - 300 pF
Recommended load resistance   47 kΩ

M2 red
Output voltage at 1000 Hz, 5cm/sec.  -  5.5 mV
Channel balance at 1 kHz   -  1.5 dB
Channel separation at 1 kHz  -  22 dB
Channel separation at 15 kHz  -  15 dB
Frequency response  -  20-20.000 Hz + 3 / - 1 dB
Tracking ability at 315Hz at recommended tracking force  -  70 µm
Compliance, dynamic, lateral  -  20 µm/mN
Stylus type  -  Elliptical
Stylus tip radius  -  r/R 8/18 µm
Tracking force range  -  1.6-2.0 g (16-20 mN)
Tracking force, recommended  - 1.8 g (18 mN)
Tracking angle  -  20°
Internal impedance, DC resistance  -  1.3 kOhm
Internal inductance  -  700 mH
Recommended load resistance  -  47 kOhm
Recommended load capacitance  -  150-300 pF
Cartridge colour, body/stylus  -  Black/Red
2M standard and 2M Verso cartridges weight  -  7.2 g
2M PnP MkII cartridge with integrated headshell weight  -  20 g
2M PnP MkII cartridge with integrated headshell length - 52 mm

Thank you.

Offline oguinn

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Re: Reduction with Ortofon/Pro-Ject cartridge Pick it S2 MM
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2021, 03:10:50 AM »
I used an ortorofon 2m red with a reduction on a different turntable and liked the combination a lot. Not sure if that helps you.
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Re: Reduction with Ortofon/Pro-Ject cartridge Pick it S2 MM
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2021, 07:06:40 AM »
Thank you, it is important to me to know that the pair is working. I do not have experience with the turntables so every information is valuable.

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Re: Reduction with Ortofon/Pro-Ject cartridge Pick it S2 MM
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2021, 03:06:16 AM »
It looks like the 2M Red is closer to the design center of the Reduction. The Integration upgrade (after you have enjoyed the stock build) IMO is very worthwhile both in terms of sound and a little extra output.
I use the 2M Red on my Rega-based TT and am happy with the sound.
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Offline Tim G.

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Re: Reduction with Ortofon/Pro-Ject cartridge Pick it S2 MM
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2021, 04:39:27 AM »
I have a pro-ject debut carbon with the ortofon red cartridge (not the acrylic platter) it was first paired with a seduction pre-amp and was great, and now running through an Eros, couldn't be happier with the performance!

Tim