Check the power supply voltage by measuring DC voltage between the chassis plate

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Offline Colman

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Hello, I am on page 25 of the Moreplay Upgrade manual. I am confused by the instruction "Check the power supply voltage by measuring DC voltage between the chassis plate and terminal 21." One of my test meter leads goes to terminal 21. Where do I clip the other?



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Any metal on or touching the chassis plate. Any of the RCA jack ground tabs, any of the center lugs of any of the terminal strips, the IEC power entry module earth lug, stuff like that.

Paul "PB" Birkeland

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Hello, I am on page 25 of the Moreplay Upgrade manual. I am confused by the instruction "Check the power supply voltage by measuring DC voltage between the chassis plate and terminal 21." One of my test meter leads goes to terminal 21. Where do I clip the other?
This is to be sure the filters are not charged.
If you can discharge the filters safely you will save 15 min or so.
Andre.

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OK, I get it. If I wait 10 minutes, is that enough time for "the high voltage power supply will need several minutes to drain before you can move the clip leads"



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Don't assume regarding time is to risky.
better measure it and be sure is less than 20V.

Andre.

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I will measure then. Thanks for your help!



Offline Colman

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Uh oh! I checked the B socket and it measured an acceptable 6.25 V. After 10 minutes, I went to check the chassis. I unplugged the red probe from B2. I forgot I still had the black probe clipped on B7. As soon as I touched the red probe to terminal 21, there was a big spark at terminal 21! I'm unharmed but it really woke me up! Do you think I damaged the Moreplay?



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Bummer!
If the MP was still under power or not the filter discharge.
I will let this answer to @paul, the BH expert.
Did you check again the filament power on both? (6.2V)
Andre.

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I rechecked all the voltage values (pg. 59 MP Manual) with the chassis upside down. I got a couple of bad values. Terminal 4 read 0 instead of 7-9, and terminal 6 read 252 instead of 110-140. All other measurements were good. I powered off the MP. After 15 minutes, I turned the chassis right side up and powered up. Turns out the bad measurements are a separate issue: the tube in socket A doesn't light up and there is no sound from the right channel. The left channel is fine. I swapped tubes and remeasured. This time, terminal 4 is 6.54 and terminal 6 is 111. There is no sound from the left channel and the right channel is fine. So the tube is blown.
Both 6V6 tubes were working fine before. I'll just get a replacement pair. It will take some time before they get delivered.
Also, after performing the voltage test I'm sure that my MP survived the spark undamaged.
Questions:
1) How do I test filament power?
2) Can anyone recommend particular 6V6 tubes or their equivalent?




Offline hmbscott

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1) Short answer: filament power = V^2/14, in watts. The answer should be close to 2.84W. So measure the filament voltage and apply that formula.
The long answer: Power is a bit tricky because you need to know the hot resistance of the filament. and you measure the filament  voltage. With those two values you can calculate filament power. The formula is P = V^2 / R, where P = power in watts, V = filament voltage, R = the hot filament resistance. The nominal hot filament resistance can be calculated from data on the tube datasheet if it gives heater voltage and current. The formula is R = V/I. The Radiotron 6V6GT sheet I just looked up states V = 6.3 V (AC or DC), and I = 0.45 A, so the nominal heater hot resistance is 14ohms. Note that you cannot just measure the heater resistane when it's cold because it will be much lower and thus give you the wrong heater power.

2) Recommended tubes: I have the following NOS tubes, all of which I like, some better than others. In order of least to best sounding IMO:
#4 NOS 6V6 JAN (metal body tubes made several companies) This is a nice tube and cheap. $15 ea. Pin 1 should be grounded because the metal body is connected to pin 1. It sounds better than the stock tubes. Great value.
#3 NOS Bendix Jan-CEA-5992 This is an expensive sought after tube that is compatible with the 6V6. At $175 each its not all that for the money IMHO, sorry I bought them. They sound fine, but not $175 fine.
#2 NOS Sylvania 6V6GT JAN "Brown Base". $40 ea This tube and the next one are sonically equally beautiful. Much nicer than the stock tubes IMO
#1 NOS RCA 6V6G gray glass. $40 ea This is a "coke bottle" shaped tube (6V6G) that looks cool and sounds beautiful. It's my favorite tube and my daily driver. I included a pic.

Scott
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