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Reply #15 on: July 13, 2013, 05:58:43 AM
Excellent, you are beating us to the punch in terms of attempting this modification, keep us posted on how it goes.

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Reply #16 on: July 13, 2013, 01:11:29 PM
Load in parallel, not in series.

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Reply #17 on: July 13, 2013, 06:33:01 PM
Load in parallel, not in series.
just to make sure I got this here's a rough schematic ( as I understand this)


Wire in (pin 2)----------                  ----------wire out-----------selector switch
                                   Transformer         resistor
wire in (pin3)----------                  ----------Wire out-----------selector switch



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Reply #18 on: July 13, 2013, 09:21:39 PM
Looks good!

You can run a piece of clip lead from pin 1 to the little ground tab on the jack itself.

If the Hammond has a shield, the shield wire can be soldered to the ground lug on the XLR jack as well.

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Reply #19 on: July 14, 2013, 08:52:40 AM
Done!
Now just a little "woodworking" since, even though it looks flush with 1/4 form the edge of the plate .......its not  :o.



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Reply #20 on: July 15, 2013, 09:28:12 AM
Nice implementation there!

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Reply #21 on: July 16, 2013, 04:11:36 PM
Thanks.  Now my next question.  What effect would increasing or decreasing the load resistor have.  It sounds pretty good, but I feel like it there might be some undiscovered potential in there.



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Reply #22 on: July 16, 2013, 05:45:38 PM
As a generalized remark - a lower load resistance will give a smoother (more well-damped) rolloff of the treble, along with loss of extension. Well suited (for example) to MC cartridges with a hot high end. A larger resistance will gradually expose the HF resonance, providing more sparkle at first and more fatigue eventually.

For specifics, you must either get the manufacturer to give you guidance - only they know the details of the transformer's more subtle parasitics - or do the experiment yourself. Unfortunately the quality fo the resistor will influence the results, so you will never find a conclusive answer, but you will likely get close enough for personal satisfaction.

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Reply #23 on: July 16, 2013, 07:41:32 PM
Ok then....off to experiment!



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Reply #24 on: July 17, 2013, 03:36:42 PM
The 14k recommended resistor was close. I tried a 20k today and it sounds sweet again.



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Reply #25 on: August 13, 2013, 12:29:50 AM
Wanting to communicate with anyone who successfully did a balanced i/o build of the BeePre. I don't have a kit yet and am considering getting one for X'mas. I noticed there is a daughter board with caps on the balanced output in the BH product page photo but absent on unbalanced output photos of BeePre builds by Aaron and Debra. Can anyone chime in on this?

Also like to know if anyone tried with Jensens or Cinemags and what load resistor values did you use.

Just ordered a Mainline and that will be my first BH build. I have a recording studio and am interested in experimenting using the BeePre as a tube line stage to see if it improves my mixes going balanced in and out from my DA converter to the BeePre and back into my mixdown deck. Also thinking of using it to drive my powered studio monitors. Everything sounds good as it is, but I am sure once I put in the Bottlehead stuff it will all sound better.

Any comments and photos will be greatly appreciated.

Best, Dennis
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Reply #26 on: August 13, 2013, 07:17:31 AM
Wanting to communicate with anyone who successfully did a balanced i/o build of the BeePre. I don't have a kit yet and am considering getting one for X'mas. I noticed there is a daughter board with caps on the balanced output in the BH product page photo but absent on unbalanced output photos of BeePre builds by Aaron and Debra. Can anyone chime in on this?

They simply built their BeePres with an extra set of unbalanced outputs and no XLR output.

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Reply #27 on: August 13, 2013, 08:19:55 AM
Just wanted to know is that daughter board with the caps, that I see on the BeePre products page part of the balanced circuit? Just noticed that part looks different. Sorry if I did not make myself clear.

Dennis



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Reply #28 on: August 13, 2013, 10:28:00 AM
The extra caps and resistors around the output jacks are for the balanced outputs.  They are, however, not mounted to a PC board.

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Reply #29 on: August 13, 2013, 04:00:08 PM
Hi Paul, So if I opt for the balanced input transformers, I'll need to put a loading resistors across the outputs of the transformers, correct? If I use the recommended Cinemags, what value do I use?

That is why I want to find someone who has put in a transformer and made it work sucessfully. I could run it unbalanced all the way but all my pro stuff runs balanced and the impedance are different. That is probably the reason for the R/C network on the balanced outs.

Thinking more of using as a tube line drive than a preamp to color my stereo bus.

Anyway any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Dennis