Left channel out (still causing trouble!)

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Reply #15 on: February 02, 2015, 12:18:33 PM
Ok, switched it back to 2L/4L going to A5/B5, and the negative lead of the D cells going to A1-A7/B1-B7. This is how the manual says to do it. Certainly doesn't seem right.

Here are the new voltages:

1  -0.015
2  1.566
3  0
4  1.524
5  -0.029

6  16.09
7  24.16
8  8.03

A1  0.21
A2  14
A3  -0.013
A4  14.06
A5  1.566
A6  14.06
A7  0

B1  -0.026
B2  13.74
B3  -0.027
B4  13.74
B5  1.519
B6  13.75
B7  -0.022

I'm getting sound in the R channel. I've swapped input and output cables and tubes. I'll re-heat solder joints once we get the voltages right. Note: I accidentally left it on all night and drained the batteries, so I'm using "old" 9Vs that are measuring 8. I'll head out to buy new ones for more accurate readings, but obviously that's not the main problem.

« Last Edit: February 02, 2015, 12:43:54 PM by denti alligator »

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Reply #16 on: February 02, 2015, 12:44:43 PM
GOT THE LEFT CHANNEL WORKING  ;D

Reflowed a few more L channel joints. One of them must have been the culprit.

So: now let's get back to why the voltages are off... or are they still?
« Last Edit: February 02, 2015, 12:48:45 PM by denti alligator »

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Reply #17 on: February 02, 2015, 05:39:35 PM

So: now let's get back to why the voltages are off... or are they still?
Now that it's working, you should remeasure. 

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Reply #18 on: February 02, 2015, 06:22:25 PM
No, it's not right. Sorry if my directions are wrong, or confusing - I have a bad flu and I'm pretty punchy the last couple weeks!

The D cell negative should go ultimately to tube pin 5. D cell positive to pins 1/7. You should see about 1.5v at pin 5, and about 3.0v at pins 1/7.

There is the switch in the way, and I'm going back to bed without figuring it out yet ... maybe tomorrow unless PB steps in, he's more familiar with the wiring, I don't have a Quickie at home.
« Last Edit: February 02, 2015, 06:27:18 PM by Paul Joppa »

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Reply #19 on: February 03, 2015, 01:11:32 AM
Now that it's working, you should remeasure.

Voltages are as given above, though I did switch it back to the "mistaken" manual wiring. Should I switch it back? Or just reverse the D cell?

Paul, sorry you're not well!! Hope you're better soon.

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Reply #20 on: February 03, 2015, 06:55:00 AM
Without getting too confused by batter orientation, you can just flip the D-cells around and remeasure the voltages.

When they are in the proper orientation, the plate voltage pops right down where you want it.  If they are flipped, you barely get any voltage at all.

In the new version of the Quickie, the PJCCS actually won't operate with the batteries in backwards (a good thing).

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Reply #21 on: February 03, 2015, 11:04:52 AM
Voltages with D-cells reversed:


1  0
2  1.59
3  0
4  1.55
5  0
6  16.41
7  24.59
9  8.2

A1  3.128
A2  23.55
A3  0
A4  23.56
A5  1.59
A6  23.55
A7  3.127

B1  3.063
B2  22.88
B3  0
B4  22.88
B5  1.572
B6  22.96
B7  3.066

Are these OK? Looks like pins 5 and 6 are a bit low.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2015, 11:23:13 AM by denti alligator »

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Reply #22 on: February 03, 2015, 01:45:24 PM
Those voltages would be consistent with 9V batteries that are somewhat low, but a circuit that is otherwise working.  How does it sound?

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Reply #23 on: February 03, 2015, 01:47:00 PM
Those voltages would be consistent with 9V batteries that are somewhat low, but a circuit that is otherwise working.  How does it sound?

Pretty good!

- Sam

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Reply #24 on: February 03, 2015, 02:05:34 PM
Excellent! Now the numbers look right.

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Reply #25 on: February 03, 2015, 02:07:59 PM
Thanks for your help, guys!!

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Reply #26 on: February 08, 2015, 11:28:09 AM
Turned on the Quickie for the first time since solving this and the L channel is out again!

This is what happened last time: I reflowed some connections, it worked, then didn't work after a couple days.

It's not as if I'm a bad solderer... might there be something else at play here?

By the way, voltages all look to be OK.

- Sam

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Reply #27 on: February 08, 2015, 11:30:54 AM
It's very likely a loose connection that's moving around as you're using the preamp.

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Reply #28 on: February 08, 2015, 11:35:27 AM
IF the solder joints are good, then consider the tube socket.

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Reply #29 on: February 08, 2015, 11:44:51 AM
Thanks, guys. A quick reflow job and it's working again. But I'm doubtful it will last long... We'll see.

Interesting here is how much better I like the sound of my SEX amp with the Quickie! I really miss it when it's out of the chain. That's kind of surprising.

- Sam

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