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Offline mkane

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Reply #15 on: February 12, 2015, 11:57:07 AM
  Can't seem to



Offline Grainger49

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Reply #16 on: February 12, 2015, 01:52:44 PM
Touching the volume control should not bring the hum down.  There is something wrong here.

The Stereomour should get below 5mA with careful hum pot adjusting. 

So... I think you need to touch up all the solder joints on your inputs, selector switch and volume pot. 
BTW, Klein are good tools.
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Reply #17 on: February 12, 2015, 02:45:26 PM
  It's the hum pot control that my fingers resting on that bring's the readings down. The tubes are JJ2a3-40 & psvane 12at7 if that make a difference.
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Reply #18 on: February 12, 2015, 04:03:25 PM
It might be a faulty hum pot.



Offline Paul Joppa

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Reply #19 on: February 12, 2015, 04:55:29 PM
Well this is good - at least you are getting a reading now. Congratulations on that!

This looks like one of those things that will be a long slog to find out what's going on - just a heads up!

Since the voltage is higher than expected, and the touching behavior is unusual, I suspect there is some other noise source louder than the filament hum. So I want to go looking for what it might be.

Before going further, I assume this is an older Paramour, on the 6x10 chassis, with C4S, and using the old plate choke as a power supply choke (the old upgrade). As a caution, make sure the safety ground wire from the power cord is in fact connected to the chassis plate and to the signal ground, and that the power socket has a good safety ground.

Assuming  you don't have an oscilloscope, perhaps you can connect a speaker and listen to whatever noise it makes, while touching / not touching the potentiometer shaft. Can you hear a difference? What does the noise sound like? Do you get the same effect touching other parts of the chassis plate? Can you hear a difference as you turn the hum pot? If so, where in the rotation is the quietest? How many degrees either way can you rotate the pot before you hear an increase? Have you done this on both monoblocks?

Obviously what I am asking for is more data - we don't have enough on the forum here to make good guesses, so I won't make any just yet.

By the way, when I make low-voltage measurements, I twist the meter wires together for as much of their length as possible, to preclude measuring the ambient magnetic field instead of the circuit - worth a try.

Paul Joppa


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Reply #20 on: February 13, 2015, 03:35:21 AM
  The unit is a Stereomour, approximately 1 1/2 yrs old. I believe I've found the problem. The power cords ground terminal was broken where it plugs into the wall if this makes any sense. I replaced it with a different cord and the touching phonomina has gone away. I can get the measurement as low as 2.5 and then it goes to 0.0. With the volume knob turned all the way up the speakers (Cornwalls) are silent.

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Reply #21 on: February 13, 2015, 04:22:12 AM
That is good it is solved.  It is not good to have the safety ground open.



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Reply #22 on: February 13, 2015, 12:50:27 PM
^^^^^^^^^^safety ground open?????  You mean my discover?



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Reply #23 on: February 13, 2015, 02:20:26 PM
Yes!  Good catch.  Good call Paul.
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Reply #24 on: February 13, 2015, 02:49:47 PM
 :)Now if the quickie would get here.



Offline Samsquatch

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Reply #25 on: February 14, 2015, 02:01:58 PM
There is also a current (10A max fused-mAuA) input, just put glue in those holes; they will get you in trouble.

That gave me a good chuckle.

Mike
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Reply #26 on: February 14, 2015, 03:18:30 PM
  Good thing my fingers won't fit.



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Reply #27 on: February 14, 2015, 03:30:24 PM
    .  .  .    That gave me a good chuckle.

The current input has to be a very low impedance so it will not affect the circuit that it is inserted into.  If you get the meter probe in the current input and go to measure the voltage at an outlet it smokes the current circuit in the meter and most likely much more.

Working in industry I used the current input for tuning 4-20mA loops.  But I can't think of a reason a hobbyist would use it.



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Reply #28 on: February 14, 2015, 04:10:57 PM
 I'll plug em' with something in the morning.