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Offline Karl5150

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on: April 29, 2015, 02:03:33 PM
Understanding that passive components have an insertion loss (I think I saw 4dB quoted for the Submissive) does their location in the audio chain play a role?
Forgive my ignorance but I built a high-pass x-over to relieve my 4 Ohm Fostex OBs of some bass duty as I am using a powered sub that integrates well set at about 100Hz.
Driven by the SEX amp we are not talking about power to spare.
Thanks for any addition to my knowledge base!
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Offline Paul Birkeland

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Reply #1 on: May 02, 2015, 07:24:50 AM
Understanding that passive components have an insertion loss (I think I saw 4dB quoted for the Submissive) does their location in the audio chain play a role?
Yes.  If you are able to place these components at line-level, you won't be scrubbing power from the speaker amplifier to get the job done.  Passive crossover components do have some insertion loss (in their pass band), but something like your second order low pass filter will have minimal insertion loss.

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Reply #2 on: May 02, 2015, 09:28:37 AM
Thanks Paul. Well the Integration gave me +4dB in gain (along with other good things) and these X-overs may make the volume levels a wash but hopefully yield some other benefits.
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Downstairs: Planar3>PH-16>Stereomour II>OB Betsy+
Upstairs: RP1>Eros/CD5004>Seductor (2x Monoblocks)>FH3
Office: Modi Uber 2/Sirius>SEX2.1.1>µFonken FF85WK + DC160 subs
BR: FiiO M6>SEX3.0.1>ScanSpeak 10F + TangBand W6 (Mono)/DT770Pro
Garage: X12 streamer>Quicksand>Minimus 77


Offline Grainger49

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Reply #3 on: May 02, 2015, 09:41:46 AM
  .  .  .   If you are able to place these components at line-level, you won't be scrubbing power from the speaker amplifier to get the job done.  Passive crossover components do have some insertion loss (in their pass band), but something like your second order low pass filter will have minimal insertion loss. 

An additional thought about line level rather than speaker level EQ.  The components will need lower voltage and current ratings.  It should, therefore, be cheaper as well.