Speedball upgrade - small board: One LED not lighting, one V reading out of spec

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I started this upgrade with an in-spec, stock Crack, which I built 1.5 weeks ago.

I just installed the smaller board of the speedball upgrade, and had two issues come up while performing voltage checks:

The voltage reading on 0B is out of spec at about 50-51 V, but all of the rest of the voltages are in spec. If it's of significance, all of the rest of the voltages are toward the lower end of the "in-spec" ranges listed in the manual.

Also, the LED closest to 1B is not lighting up. I have tried reflowing the solder on its legs, which didn't help (although maybe I need to try again?).

The three other LEDs are lighting up properly.

I'm guessing that these issues are related, but let me know what I should try, or what you think, please!

Thanks very much!




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Can you post some photos?  The last 3 times we have run into this, the PN2907 on that side was in backwards.

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That was exactly it! Voltage is now reading around 71, and all four LEDs on the small board are glowing. I can't believe that you were able to predict that based on two symptoms!

Oddly though, the LED on the 12AU7 socket connecting A3 to the center is no longer lighting up. I accidentally brushed it with my finger while probing it to see if I could figure anything out, and it lit up. Definitely not a diagnostic practice that I'd like to replicate, but there it is.

Any idea what could be causing that? Let me know if a specific photo would be helpful here.



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If one of the LEDs on the 9 pin socket isn't lighting up, then either the OA or OB voltage on the small PC board will be out of spec.

The LED is either not well soldered or it may be damaged.  If it looks to be well soldered, you can connect a wire jumper between A3 and A8 to restore proper operation. 

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You were right, OB was reading in mV, not Volts. I was getting anywhere from 30-70 mV, but those numbers may not even be significant in their difference.

Is the direction of causation that the LED on the socket is causing OB to read out of spec? Or is something on the small board messing with the LED on the socket? From your last post, it sounds like the former. If so, all I need to do is check the solder or add a jumper wire?

Thanks!



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30-70mV at OB isn't an issue with the socket LED, but rather that half of the C4S is no longer functioning.  How is the voltage at IB?  I suspect in the process of debugging that you have broken a wire.

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1B reads 191 Volts right now.



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Reheat the solder joints on that PC board on the B side. 

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I've reheated the joints on the B side of the board, as well as the where the wires connect to the buss bar, but the voltage on 0B is still in the same mV range.

Is there any other information I can read/gather for you? I'm happy to take photos as well.



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Disconnect the wire from OB and see if the voltage at OB pops up.

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I disconnected the wire, but the voltage actually went down. Before, it was in the tens of mV (30-70), now it's in the single digits.



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If you're not getting the IB voltage through the board when there's nothing connected to OB, you have a soldering issue with the transistors.  Can you post some photos of the board and the build?

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For sure.

Here you go:
https://imgur.com/gallery/dGCJcgB

Let me know if you need more/different photos.

Thanks!



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Either the solder pad under the solder joint where the red circle is got damaged somewhow, or the solder joint around the blue circle is cold.  I would tend to suspect that the board is damaged where the PN2907 is mounted, perhaps the through plating and bottom solder pad got ripped out when you went to remove the transistor.

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« Last Edit: December 12, 2018, 09:56:58 AM by Paul Birkeland »

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When you say "red circle" and "blue circle", what are you referring to? I'm sorry if I'm missing something obvious there. I'd be happy to try reflowing those joints.

It is a possibility that I scratched up the the plating under the PN2907, although before I soldered it, two of the three through-holes looked normal, and one a bit rough, although not ripped out. If that through-hole was damaged, what can I do?