Audio issue a couple of weeks after Moreplay Upgrade [resolved]

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Reply #45 on: December 27, 2024, 06:11:41 PM
Were any of the transistors that you replaced shorted out? 


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Reply #46 on: December 27, 2024, 06:14:23 PM
It's also possible that your main C4S board is working properly, but that there's a soldering issue related to the balance pot and the input/output wiring there, and the 6V6 grids are losing their ground reference and this is causing extremely screwy DC voltages.  I would evaluate this by temporarily soldering one bare wire across the L-Out, R-Out, and ground lugs next to the balance pot.  That will provide a DC short to ground, and if your voltages move dramatically, then you know the issues is in the input/balance pot wiring.
I won't be able to provide any more assistance on this until you complete this test. 

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Reply #47 on: December 28, 2024, 01:19:24 AM
Is there  any chance you can provide a  diagram for this test? I’m not quite understanding .



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Reply #48 on: December 28, 2024, 05:22:37 AM
Temporarily soldering one bare wire across the L-Out, R-Out, and ground lugs next to the balance pot.

You are going to have to tell me what isn't clear about this instruction.

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Reply #49 on: December 28, 2024, 06:44:11 AM
Voltages after soldering bare wire across L-In, L-Out and ground lugs next to balance pot:
6U - 172.3v
16U - 172.3v
B+ Reg TP = 175.4



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Reply #50 on: December 28, 2024, 06:55:00 AM
Excuse the typo -- that should be:
L-Out
R-Out
Ground L
Ground R



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Reply #51 on: December 28, 2024, 09:33:34 AM
I wanted to mention that it appears that 2 of the LED's light but two do not. Photo attached



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Reply #52 on: December 30, 2024, 01:31:51 AM
When I completed the initial build these LED's did not illuminate but I read in the manual that some illuminate and some are dimmer, so since the voltage checks were within parameters when I completed the upgrade, I never thought much of it. Can you provide further troubleshooting advise?



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Reply #53 on: December 31, 2024, 07:33:39 AM
It would be helpful to go back to the plate loading resistors.  The white wires need to be slipped out of the front plate solder eyelets on the PC board, then connect each wire to one each of the removed 10K plate loading resistors.  Temporarily solder the other ends of those 10K resistors together and to a jumper wire, then run that jumper wire to Reg+ TP.  This will be kind of a hodge podge of wiring floating in the air, but it's useful to see if your plate voltages pull down to the correct value under these conditions.

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Reply #54 on: December 31, 2024, 07:55:05 AM
I apologize - I’m trying to follow but it’s a bit confusing. I completely remove the two 10k resistors first?



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Reply #55 on: December 31, 2024, 07:58:50 AM
You already removed the 10K resistors in the process of installing the large C4S board. 

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Reply #56 on: December 31, 2024, 08:04:07 AM
Understand now - the white wires you mention are soldered to the board at the ”Plate C” and “Plate B” locations?



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Reply #57 on: December 31, 2024, 10:29:52 AM
Yes, those are the soldered eyelets labeled as plate connections.

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Reply #58 on: December 31, 2024, 11:07:24 AM
New voltage test:
6U - 90v
16U - 90.1v

Image attached (Please note that I used leftover wire from original Moreplay build so what’s going to Plate B eyelet was supposed to be white but I used red because I didn’t have enough white wire to make that connection)



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Reply #59 on: December 31, 2024, 03:00:19 PM
There's going to be a soldering issue or a failed component in the B/C area of that main green PC board.

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